1 00:00:31,060 --> 00:00:21,840 [Music] 2 00:00:37,010 --> 00:00:34,250 and greetings from the freezing-cold 3 00:00:38,630 --> 00:00:37,020 Pine Barrens of southern New Jersey 4 00:00:40,310 --> 00:00:38,640 welcome to far-out radio with Scott 5 00:00:42,650 --> 00:00:40,320 Cedars I'm Scott and tonight we're going 6 00:00:45,380 --> 00:00:42,660 out on the skinny branches our guest is 7 00:00:48,290 --> 00:00:45,390 Tim Schwartz tim is a very accomplished 8 00:00:50,330 --> 00:00:48,300 man he's an author researcher and Emmy 9 00:00:53,690 --> 00:00:50,340 award-winning television producer and 10 00:00:56,180 --> 00:00:53,700 videographer and a photojournalist Tim's 11 00:00:59,569 --> 00:00:56,190 books include the lost journey 12 00:01:02,990 --> 00:00:59,579 journals of Nikola Tesla the secret 13 00:01:06,130 --> 00:01:03,000 black projects evil agenda of the secret 14 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:06,140 government time travel a how-to guide 15 00:01:11,690 --> 00:01:08,970 Richard shaver and the reality of the 16 00:01:14,090 --> 00:01:11,700 Inner Earth Admiral Byrd's secret 17 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:14,100 journey beyond the poles and Tim has 18 00:01:18,639 --> 00:01:15,810 been a contributing writer for the books 19 00:01:22,249 --> 00:01:18,649 Sir Arthur Conan Doyle the first 20 00:01:25,249 --> 00:01:22,259 Ghostbuster as well as Brad Stigers real 21 00:01:26,449 --> 00:01:25,259 monsters gruesome critters and beasts 22 00:01:29,180 --> 00:01:26,459 from the dark side 23 00:01:32,029 --> 00:01:29,190 tim has blended his interest in 24 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:32,039 photography and travel with his interest 25 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:34,050 in the paranormal phenomenon by visiting 26 00:01:38,330 --> 00:01:36,330 such diverse places as the Great Wall of 27 00:01:43,999 --> 00:01:38,340 China and the Great Pyramid in Egypt 28 00:01:47,630 --> 00:01:44,009 he's worked for PBS NBC CBS CNN ESPN 29 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:47,640 Thames TV and the BBC obviously he's a 30 00:01:51,710 --> 00:01:50,250 very busy man and we appreciate his time 31 00:01:54,230 --> 00:01:51,720 this evening Sam are you there welcome 32 00:01:56,740 --> 00:01:54,240 to the program thank you very much Scott 33 00:02:00,139 --> 00:01:56,750 it's a pleasure to be with you tonight 34 00:02:02,749 --> 00:02:00,149 thanks thanks it's a I've heard you on 35 00:02:05,300 --> 00:02:02,759 other programs and you always bring in 36 00:02:07,730 --> 00:02:05,310 an element of fun to whatever program 37 00:02:11,589 --> 00:02:07,740 that you're that you're on so it's 38 00:02:19,250 --> 00:02:15,020 you're quite welcome you are a 2009 book 39 00:02:22,580 --> 00:02:19,260 men of mystery Nikola Tesla an Otis T 40 00:02:25,790 --> 00:02:22,590 car weird weird inventions of the 41 00:02:27,230 --> 00:02:25,800 strangest men who ever lived is a wee 42 00:02:30,500 --> 00:02:27,240 bit of an understatement 43 00:02:31,910 --> 00:02:30,510 of course Otis Carr was he had patented 44 00:02:33,470 --> 00:02:31,920 a flying saucer 45 00:02:36,260 --> 00:02:33,480 and he claimed that he was building a 46 00:02:40,070 --> 00:02:36,270 full-sized version that could fly to the 47 00:02:42,559 --> 00:02:40,080 moon and back in one day dr. Otis Otis 48 00:02:45,380 --> 00:02:42,569 ran afoul of the law and ended up doing 49 00:02:48,860 --> 00:02:45,390 time for securities fraud and was 50 00:02:50,660 --> 00:02:48,870 largely discredited but Tesla is a whole 51 00:02:52,820 --> 00:02:50,670 other story 52 00:02:55,220 --> 00:02:52,830 and then he make the case that Tesla was 53 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:55,230 probably the most brilliant mind of the 54 00:03:00,320 --> 00:02:58,170 20th century and made a bigger impact on 55 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:00,330 the modern world than Albert Einstein 56 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:02,970 so Tim when did you first get interested 57 00:03:09,940 --> 00:03:05,610 in Tesla and what was it about him that 58 00:03:13,190 --> 00:03:09,950 captured your imagination well Scott the 59 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:13,200 the first time that I ever heard of 60 00:03:18,530 --> 00:03:14,970 Nikola Tesla now you have to realize 61 00:03:20,330 --> 00:03:18,540 that you know I I grew up in and went to 62 00:03:23,540 --> 00:03:20,340 school in the late sixties and seventies 63 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:23,550 and you know when I went to school we 64 00:03:28,670 --> 00:03:26,090 were always taught that you know the the 65 00:03:30,380 --> 00:03:28,680 person who invented electricity we'll 66 00:03:33,620 --> 00:03:30,390 put that in quotation mark was Thomas 67 00:03:36,620 --> 00:03:33,630 Edison no mention in any of my textbooks 68 00:03:39,740 --> 00:03:36,630 of a guy named Nikola Tesla 69 00:03:42,140 --> 00:03:39,750 so this wasn't I know yeah yeah exactly 70 00:03:45,350 --> 00:03:42,150 and I and I'm sure there's a lot of 71 00:03:48,140 --> 00:03:45,360 other people out there you know it was 72 00:03:53,660 --> 00:03:48,150 the same way but it wasn't until 73 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:53,670 probably around 1982 I think I was 74 00:03:59,660 --> 00:03:55,650 working for a television station in 75 00:04:01,880 --> 00:03:59,670 Dayton Ohio and right close to Dayton is 76 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:01,890 the wright-patterson Air Force Base 77 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:05,810 and part of part one of my Jobs was to 78 00:04:13,009 --> 00:04:08,730 go with a reporter well you know once a 79 00:04:15,890 --> 00:04:13,019 week and we would talk with the that the 80 00:04:16,819 --> 00:04:15,900 press liaison there on the base to see 81 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:16,829 if there was you know like any 82 00:04:22,850 --> 00:04:19,530 interesting stories that they you know 83 00:04:28,370 --> 00:04:22,860 that we could do from there one day UFOs 84 00:04:31,850 --> 00:04:28,380 yeah well you know yeah we laugh about 85 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:31,860 that but actually at one time J Allen 86 00:04:37,310 --> 00:04:34,530 Hynek you know the late great UFO 87 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:37,320 investigator actually gave a speech 88 00:04:45,710 --> 00:04:41,370 there on the base because the National 89 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:45,720 Air Force Aeronautics Museum had a had a 90 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:48,570 display about project Bluebook there so 91 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:49,890 I mean you know we laugh about that but 92 00:04:55,460 --> 00:04:52,170 but yeah actually there there was a 93 00:04:57,620 --> 00:04:55,470 discussion about UFOs that's true I mean 94 00:05:00,470 --> 00:04:57,630 you know wright-patterson and UFOs are 95 00:05:03,350 --> 00:05:00,480 like connected it the hits joke but 96 00:05:08,210 --> 00:05:03,360 serious yeah 97 00:05:11,150 --> 00:05:08,220 I I clearly remember at one point as the 98 00:05:13,550 --> 00:05:11,160 the base press liaison was going through 99 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:13,560 his files you know trying to see if 100 00:05:17,090 --> 00:05:15,210 there's anything interesting for us he 101 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:17,100 said yeah you know we're we've got a 102 00:05:23,090 --> 00:05:19,490 couple of projects that were working on 103 00:05:27,710 --> 00:05:23,100 based on and I remember so clearly he 104 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:27,720 said that mad scientist Nikola Tesla he 105 00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:30,930 goes but he goes right now we can't 106 00:05:35,420 --> 00:05:34,290 really talk about that publicly and then 107 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:35,430 he won on something else and that was 108 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:38,490 all that he said and that intrigued me 109 00:05:43,610 --> 00:05:41,610 first of all the name Nikola Tesla you 110 00:05:46,340 --> 00:05:43,620 know it did it sounds like a name just 111 00:05:48,740 --> 00:05:46,350 right out of a science fiction book and 112 00:05:51,770 --> 00:05:48,750 I never heard of it before so I started 113 00:05:54,050 --> 00:05:51,780 doing some research and then it just 114 00:05:56,090 --> 00:05:54,060 became a labor of love 115 00:05:58,550 --> 00:05:56,100 from that point on just trying to 116 00:06:01,159 --> 00:05:58,560 discover anything that I possibly you 117 00:06:03,050 --> 00:06:01,169 know could about the guy and and that's 118 00:06:05,210 --> 00:06:03,060 that that was my first interest you know 119 00:06:09,110 --> 00:06:05,220 however you know how I discovered this 120 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:09,120 this incredible genius of the nineteenth 121 00:06:15,170 --> 00:06:11,610 twentieth and well into the 21st century 122 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:15,180 and maybe even beyond who knows yeah I 123 00:06:21,950 --> 00:06:17,850 mean it's it's actually an insult to a 124 00:06:24,740 --> 00:06:21,960 thinking person's mind to look at the 125 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:24,750 history of contemporary science over the 126 00:06:31,219 --> 00:06:27,930 last hundred or so years and leave that 127 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:31,229 man out and he has been left out for the 128 00:06:39,650 --> 00:06:36,050 most part yeah more and more though 129 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:39,660 fortunately especially since starting 130 00:06:45,980 --> 00:06:42,810 since really the the turn of the 21st 131 00:06:50,540 --> 00:06:45,990 century I think there has been a lot 132 00:06:54,740 --> 00:06:50,550 more attention paid to Tesla is it it's 133 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:54,750 taken a while but you know you you're 134 00:06:59,740 --> 00:06:57,450 reading more and more information about 135 00:07:03,560 --> 00:06:59,750 him he's a lot 136 00:07:06,050 --> 00:07:03,570 more widely known and the internet 137 00:07:10,900 --> 00:07:06,060 fortunately has had a lot to do with 138 00:07:14,300 --> 00:07:10,910 that but really I mean before that time 139 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:14,310 nobody nobody has heard of test life 140 00:07:24,620 --> 00:07:20,010 except you know geeks like me you're in 141 00:07:26,570 --> 00:07:24,630 good company Tim well and I like to 142 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:26,580 think also that you know my book the 143 00:07:33,830 --> 00:07:28,530 lost journals of Nikola Tesla which came 144 00:07:35,810 --> 00:07:33,840 out in late 1999 2000 had a lot to do 145 00:07:38,900 --> 00:07:35,820 with that because I've had a lot of 146 00:07:40,910 --> 00:07:38,910 people tell me that that was the first 147 00:07:43,220 --> 00:07:40,920 book that they read about Tesla that 148 00:07:46,100 --> 00:07:43,230 really inspired them to find out more 149 00:07:48,740 --> 00:07:46,110 about him oh well there's an interesting 150 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:48,750 backstory on that that would you like to 151 00:07:56,780 --> 00:07:54,210 tell us what that is okay 152 00:07:57,470 --> 00:07:56,790 I'm not quite sure I know what you're 153 00:08:02,090 --> 00:07:57,480 referring to 154 00:08:05,930 --> 00:08:02,100 Oh God didn't you come across a box of 155 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:05,940 papers no oh it was no it wasn't me it 156 00:08:16,460 --> 00:08:12,690 it actually was a book buyer by the name 157 00:08:20,870 --> 00:08:16,470 of Dale Alfre who who lived in I I think 158 00:08:24,710 --> 00:08:20,880 it was New Jersey and he he was the one 159 00:08:29,270 --> 00:08:24,720 who he had bought a bunch of a boxes of 160 00:08:30,530 --> 00:08:29,280 books from you know like a home auction 161 00:08:33,370 --> 00:08:30,540 you know one of those types of things 162 00:08:37,730 --> 00:08:33,380 and in one of those boxes underneath 163 00:08:40,219 --> 00:08:37,740 books was a bunch of her own paperwork 164 00:08:44,870 --> 00:08:40,229 and once he started looking into it it 165 00:08:48,230 --> 00:08:44,880 was it turned out to be notes from from 166 00:08:53,180 --> 00:08:48,240 Tesla now you have to understand that in 167 00:08:57,430 --> 00:08:53,190 Tesla's later years he was not doing 168 00:09:02,720 --> 00:08:57,440 very well financially he he basically 169 00:09:06,230 --> 00:09:02,730 lived from the benefits of his his 170 00:09:08,300 --> 00:09:06,240 friends and admirers who would pay for 171 00:09:10,730 --> 00:09:08,310 his room and board and and food and 172 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:10,740 stuff like that 173 00:09:16,310 --> 00:09:12,930 all of his 174 00:09:19,430 --> 00:09:16,320 patents that that that he had royalties 175 00:09:22,130 --> 00:09:19,440 coming to him had expired the ones that 176 00:09:25,639 --> 00:09:22,140 earlier he should have gotten money for 177 00:09:28,269 --> 00:09:25,649 he actually signed them back over to and 178 00:09:32,870 --> 00:09:28,279 I think it was a Westinghouse company 179 00:09:34,430 --> 00:09:32,880 because they they they needed the they 180 00:09:36,650 --> 00:09:34,440 needed the money and since they were the 181 00:09:39,380 --> 00:09:36,660 ones who originally backed him for his 182 00:09:41,510 --> 00:09:39,390 Niagara Falls project he felt obligated 183 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:41,520 to help them out well unfortunately 184 00:09:48,290 --> 00:09:43,410 years later than it up biting in the 185 00:09:51,680 --> 00:09:48,300 butt and he was basically destitute so 186 00:09:56,780 --> 00:09:51,690 if he had to move from location to 187 00:09:59,329 --> 00:09:56,790 location in New York a lot of times the 188 00:10:04,100 --> 00:09:59,339 hotels that he stayed at would retain 189 00:10:06,530 --> 00:10:04,110 his belongings as collateral for 190 00:10:09,019 --> 00:10:06,540 whenever he could pay back his bill so a 191 00:10:12,260 --> 00:10:09,029 lot of his stuff ended up getting lost 192 00:10:15,850 --> 00:10:12,270 and ended up you know like like this 193 00:10:19,190 --> 00:10:15,860 situation with the the books book Meyer 194 00:10:24,680 --> 00:10:19,200 just being basically lost and and then 195 00:10:27,410 --> 00:10:24,690 rediscovered again and I hear I hear the 196 00:10:30,350 --> 00:10:27,420 music coming up there is music good know 197 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:30,360 that that's just astonishing that it 198 00:10:35,030 --> 00:10:32,850 does happen and I've heard similar kinds 199 00:10:37,340 --> 00:10:35,040 of stories about other more mundane 200 00:10:39,949 --> 00:10:37,350 things like car parts and experimental 201 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:39,959 car parts and such that end up in a in a 202 00:10:43,579 --> 00:10:41,970 box and we back up a shop and then 203 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:43,589 somebody ends up buying it for a couple 204 00:10:49,699 --> 00:10:45,810 of bucks and I have something really 205 00:10:50,810 --> 00:10:49,709 unusual so right Tim there's there's our 206 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:50,820 music folks 207 00:10:57,310 --> 00:10:53,850 Tim's books are available at UFO review 208 00:11:00,140 --> 00:10:57,320 tripod calm as well as amazon.com and 209 00:11:02,420 --> 00:11:00,150 Hugo winter Haller will take us into the 210 00:11:04,730 --> 00:11:02,430 commercial break with Canadian sunset 211 00:11:06,060 --> 00:11:04,740 you're listening to far-out radio and 212 00:11:10,590 --> 00:11:06,070 the rental radio network 213 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:13,630 and welcome back to far out radio with 214 00:11:17,590 --> 00:11:15,410 Scott teeters I'm Scott and tonight our 215 00:11:18,970 --> 00:11:17,600 guest is author and researcher Tim 216 00:11:22,300 --> 00:11:18,980 Schwartz and we're talking about the 217 00:11:25,030 --> 00:11:22,310 genius of Nikola Tesla and that was the 218 00:11:27,430 --> 00:11:25,040 theme song from 1965 James Bond movie 219 00:11:29,860 --> 00:11:27,440 Thunderball and I fully expect that 220 00:11:32,350 --> 00:11:29,870 sometime in the future Bond film 221 00:11:35,050 --> 00:11:32,360 double-oh-seven will be roaring about or 222 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:35,060 maybe buzzing about and a Tesla Roadster 223 00:11:39,940 --> 00:11:38,090 with the optional time-travel feature no 224 00:11:41,380 --> 00:11:39,950 seriously you know I mean you can just 225 00:11:43,390 --> 00:11:41,390 see it right there on the screen now 226 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:43,400 double-oh-seven pushes the special 227 00:11:47,500 --> 00:11:45,410 time-travel feature and he goes back in 228 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:47,510 time about 10 seconds and now he's 229 00:11:54,810 --> 00:11:49,490 behind the bad guy and he gets the bad 230 00:11:57,190 --> 00:11:54,820 guy I'd like to see that one myself yeah 231 00:11:58,930 --> 00:11:57,200 we could all use one of those sometimes 232 00:12:01,330 --> 00:11:58,940 you're a little late for work yeah you 233 00:12:02,860 --> 00:12:01,340 hit this hit the optional time-travel 234 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:02,870 but and then you leave or leave work 235 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:06,290 early another 10 minutes good it could 236 00:12:11,490 --> 00:12:09,050 be a very useful thing so anyway back to 237 00:12:14,230 --> 00:12:11,500 our conversation about Tesla his 238 00:12:17,890 --> 00:12:14,240 accomplishments were just staggering and 239 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:17,900 his credits were just paltry Thomas 240 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:20,450 Edison was only nine years Tesla's 241 00:12:26,620 --> 00:12:22,970 senior yet he managed to get nearly all 242 00:12:29,140 --> 00:12:26,630 the glory all the fame and the money now 243 00:12:32,079 --> 00:12:29,150 the story of their work together and as 244 00:12:33,790 --> 00:12:32,089 rivals is truly the stuff of legends and 245 00:12:36,130 --> 00:12:33,800 I'm surprised that there hasn't been a 246 00:12:39,579 --> 00:12:36,140 movie made specifically about these two 247 00:12:42,510 --> 00:12:39,589 guys so Tim tell us about their 248 00:12:46,270 --> 00:12:42,520 relationship and what what made it turn 249 00:12:51,780 --> 00:12:46,280 astonishingly sour sure well you know 250 00:12:54,820 --> 00:12:51,790 Tesla was he was born in what's now 251 00:12:59,890 --> 00:12:54,830 modern-day croatia his parents were 252 00:13:06,960 --> 00:12:59,900 Serbian and he was born 1856 and he was 253 00:13:12,790 --> 00:13:06,970 able to go to the Polytechnic school of 254 00:13:16,870 --> 00:13:12,800 at grad which was at the time a very 255 00:13:19,780 --> 00:13:16,880 prestigious university to study 256 00:13:23,639 --> 00:13:19,790 engineering and Tesla study mechanical 257 00:13:26,500 --> 00:13:23,649 and electrical engineering and 258 00:13:30,790 --> 00:13:26,510 it was while he was going to school 259 00:13:32,710 --> 00:13:30,800 there at the age of 24 and he was also 260 00:13:38,380 --> 00:13:32,720 working part-time for the central 261 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:38,390 telephone exchange and he got this 262 00:13:44,730 --> 00:13:41,810 vision basically Tesla's most of Tesla's 263 00:13:47,350 --> 00:13:44,740 inventions appeared to him as a 264 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:47,360 three-dimensional vision he said that he 265 00:13:52,420 --> 00:13:49,610 could see it right in front of his eyes 266 00:13:57,130 --> 00:13:52,430 there's almost like a hologram and he 267 00:13:59,079 --> 00:13:57,140 could mentally take his invention and he 268 00:14:02,319 --> 00:13:59,089 could rotate it he could take it apart 269 00:14:04,569 --> 00:14:02,329 he could he could see every aspect of it 270 00:14:06,819 --> 00:14:04,579 and and then all he would have to do is 271 00:14:11,290 --> 00:14:06,829 just copy this down onto a piece of 272 00:14:13,810 --> 00:14:11,300 paper and and and have his his 273 00:14:15,910 --> 00:14:13,820 assistants build it and real most of the 274 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:15,920 time it would work well this was where 275 00:14:22,780 --> 00:14:19,850 he discovered what we now know as the 276 00:14:26,980 --> 00:14:22,790 induction motor that they you know they 277 00:14:30,900 --> 00:14:26,990 the parent of of our AC currents now at 278 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:30,910 the time in the United States Edison had 279 00:14:41,460 --> 00:14:35,570 the early stages of an electrical system 280 00:14:44,530 --> 00:14:41,470 in New York that was based on DC and it 281 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:44,540 while it was innovative for its time it 282 00:14:58,050 --> 00:14:52,600 Edison it required like maybe every 283 00:15:01,660 --> 00:14:58,060 couple of blocks or so a step-up 284 00:15:05,290 --> 00:15:01,670 substation to continue the current on 285 00:15:07,410 --> 00:15:05,300 down line and it just would not have 286 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:07,420 been very effective for say 287 00:15:12,130 --> 00:15:09,730 cross-country 288 00:15:18,069 --> 00:15:12,140 no way it would have been you know 289 00:15:21,189 --> 00:15:18,079 nowadays there are actually a DC high 290 00:15:23,380 --> 00:15:21,199 voltage DC currents don't ask me how 291 00:15:27,370 --> 00:15:23,390 they work but that that are very 292 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:27,380 effective and worked very much like like 293 00:15:32,740 --> 00:15:29,690 AC but at that time that was all they 294 00:15:34,449 --> 00:15:32,750 had so Tesla always wanted to come to 295 00:15:37,260 --> 00:15:34,459 the United States and work with Edison 296 00:15:39,850 --> 00:15:37,270 so he actually got one of his 297 00:15:41,890 --> 00:15:39,860 professors to write him a letter of 298 00:15:45,070 --> 00:15:41,900 introduction and he emigrated to the 299 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:45,080 United States specifically to work with 300 00:15:50,950 --> 00:15:47,930 Edison and due to the prestige of this 301 00:15:55,210 --> 00:15:50,960 letter of introduction Edison the high 302 00:16:01,510 --> 00:15:55,220 redeem and Tesla's first assignment was 303 00:16:05,290 --> 00:16:01,520 that he was supposed to rewire a very 304 00:16:08,020 --> 00:16:05,300 complex piece of machinery that Edison's 305 00:16:10,390 --> 00:16:08,030 engineers had been working on for quite 306 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:10,400 some time and had not been very 307 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:13,730 successful at it and Edison told Tesla 308 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:18,170 that that when he completed it that he 309 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:19,730 would get a bonus of I think was like 310 00:16:23,170 --> 00:16:21,170 twenty thousand dollars or something 311 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:23,180 like that and especially if he got it 312 00:16:29,590 --> 00:16:24,650 finished in a certain amount of time 313 00:16:32,490 --> 00:16:29,600 well Tesla by himself managed to to get 314 00:16:34,900 --> 00:16:32,500 this work done in just a matter of days 315 00:16:38,350 --> 00:16:34,910 that's that's the kind of genius that 316 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:38,360 Tesla was and so Tesla went to address 317 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:39,650 them and say well you know here it is 318 00:16:42,550 --> 00:16:41,330 it's all done it's working and working 319 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:42,560 better than it was before 320 00:16:49,390 --> 00:16:45,370 where's my twenty thousand dollars and 321 00:16:50,500 --> 00:16:49,400 Edison basically just told Tesla that he 322 00:16:52,090 --> 00:16:50,510 wasn't getting these money and that 323 00:16:58,240 --> 00:16:52,100 Tesla didn't understand the American 324 00:17:02,830 --> 00:16:58,250 sense of humor so so Tesla was pretty 325 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:02,840 upset by this and left and and that's 326 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:06,530 really how it started between the two 327 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:09,530 and and then it got even more ferocious 328 00:17:17,740 --> 00:17:13,010 a number of years later when Tesla 329 00:17:20,730 --> 00:17:17,750 introduced the the AC current system 330 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:20,740 that we you know that we use today even 331 00:17:28,950 --> 00:17:25,730 to based on generators that they had 332 00:17:34,110 --> 00:17:28,960 built at Niagara Falls to light up the 333 00:17:36,850 --> 00:17:34,120 World's Fair in New York and of course 334 00:17:39,910 --> 00:17:36,860 Edison saw this is a slap in his face 335 00:17:44,260 --> 00:17:39,920 you know not only personally but in his 336 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:44,270 wallet because he you know this was 337 00:17:50,590 --> 00:17:46,810 going to take away 338 00:17:52,390 --> 00:17:50,600 Edison's you know great DC 339 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:52,400 current venture that he had invested a 340 00:17:58,180 --> 00:17:54,850 lot of money into and was expecting a 341 00:18:01,150 --> 00:17:58,190 pretty great return and he saw this all 342 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:01,160 collapsing around him by this young 343 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:07,090 upstart from Europe and so Edison 344 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:11,410 decided to take on Tesla by playing 345 00:18:18,100 --> 00:18:15,050 basically dirty pool I certainly did 346 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:18,110 yeah yeah there's that music again we 347 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:20,450 got a role into our break this is Yann 348 00:18:25,660 --> 00:18:22,850 hammers Crockett's theme from the 1980s 349 00:18:28,870 --> 00:18:25,670 TV show Miami Vice for our listeners you 350 00:18:33,730 --> 00:18:28,880 can get Tim's books at amazon.com as 351 00:18:35,620 --> 00:18:33,740 well as UFO view tripod calm this is far 352 00:18:45,790 --> 00:18:35,630 out radio with Scott Peters and we'll be 353 00:18:47,830 --> 00:18:45,800 right back and welcome back to far-out 354 00:18:50,770 --> 00:18:47,840 radio that of course was Led Zeppelin's 355 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:50,780 Moby Dick a very popular concert piece 356 00:18:55,450 --> 00:18:52,490 for the band and on more than one 357 00:18:58,360 --> 00:18:55,460 occasion the drummer John Bonham would 358 00:19:01,150 --> 00:18:58,370 play a solo of the drum portion of that 359 00:19:03,490 --> 00:19:01,160 piece for upwards of 30 minutes and one 360 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:03,500 time he threw his drumsticks out into 361 00:19:07,630 --> 00:19:05,090 the audience and played the drums with 362 00:19:09,130 --> 00:19:07,640 his hands yeah John was a real live wire 363 00:19:11,410 --> 00:19:09,140 that's for sure 364 00:19:14,770 --> 00:19:11,420 our guest tonight is Tim Schwarz were 365 00:19:17,050 --> 00:19:14,780 talking about Nikola Tesla we left off 366 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:17,060 with the the beginnings of the feud 367 00:19:23,230 --> 00:19:20,810 between Thomas Edison and Nikola Tesla 368 00:19:25,900 --> 00:19:23,240 and Tim I think it was in a documentary 369 00:19:29,110 --> 00:19:25,910 I saw about Tesla or no it was 370 00:19:31,930 --> 00:19:29,120 documentary about Edison they had a 371 00:19:35,830 --> 00:19:31,940 little bit of a storyline about Tesla 372 00:19:38,410 --> 00:19:35,840 with regard to this PR war that the two 373 00:19:41,740 --> 00:19:38,420 were waging mostly it was Edison that 374 00:19:45,670 --> 00:19:41,750 was waging this war against Tesla in the 375 00:19:47,230 --> 00:19:45,680 battle between AC and DC and there was a 376 00:19:50,470 --> 00:19:47,240 line and there I don't know how correct 377 00:19:53,470 --> 00:19:50,480 it was that Edison was insistent that DC 378 00:19:59,320 --> 00:19:53,480 was the way to go because it is DC as in 379 00:20:01,139 --> 00:19:59,330 Washington DC and then they also talked 380 00:20:05,039 --> 00:20:01,149 about in this 381 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:05,049 program about Edison that in order to 382 00:20:12,340 --> 00:20:08,450 convince the public of the dangers of AC 383 00:20:14,500 --> 00:20:12,350 alternating current that they they put 384 00:20:17,259 --> 00:20:14,510 on these stage shows where they would 385 00:20:21,159 --> 00:20:17,269 electrocute very large animals horses 386 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:21,169 cows and at one point a an elephant yes 387 00:20:27,009 --> 00:20:22,730 horrific stuff 388 00:20:30,389 --> 00:20:27,019 well and that in fact the first electric 389 00:20:34,629 --> 00:20:30,399 chair at New York's Albert State Prison 390 00:20:38,169 --> 00:20:34,639 was put together with the help of Edison 391 00:20:42,580 --> 00:20:38,179 and a criminal by the name of William 392 00:20:46,990 --> 00:20:42,590 Kemmler was was executed using AC 393 00:20:49,570 --> 00:20:47,000 current and in fact the technique was 394 00:20:51,370 --> 00:20:49,580 later dubbed weston housing you know 395 00:20:55,180 --> 00:20:51,380 because it was the Westinghouse company 396 00:20:58,389 --> 00:20:55,190 that was supporting Tesla and the AC 397 00:21:00,389 --> 00:20:58,399 current yeah Edison he described he said 398 00:21:03,639 --> 00:21:00,399 that the direct current was like a river 399 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:03,649 flowing peacefully to the sea while 400 00:21:09,129 --> 00:21:05,690 alternating current was I got torrent 401 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:09,139 rushing violently over a cliff so but 402 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:11,570 you know what Edison failed to mention 403 00:21:18,970 --> 00:21:16,010 was that DC current could easily 404 00:21:23,289 --> 00:21:18,980 electrocute people as well because in 405 00:21:25,419 --> 00:21:23,299 Manhattan you know the wires for Edison 406 00:21:27,730 --> 00:21:25,429 system were strung rather haphazardly 407 00:21:31,090 --> 00:21:27,740 you know over the sidewalks and streets 408 00:21:34,629 --> 00:21:31,100 and kids were constantly climbing the 409 00:21:38,169 --> 00:21:34,639 poles and touching the wires and and 410 00:21:40,090 --> 00:21:38,179 were being electrocuted and killed so 411 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:40,100 yeah I mean it was just it was just a 412 00:21:48,009 --> 00:21:45,010 propaganda technique that Edison 413 00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:48,019 unsuccessfully fortunately weighed 414 00:21:54,279 --> 00:21:51,919 against Tesla but but at the time you 415 00:21:58,149 --> 00:21:54,289 know I mean Edison was what Edison was 416 00:22:01,930 --> 00:21:58,159 demand and he managed to to get a lot of 417 00:22:05,379 --> 00:22:01,940 press and publicity over this but 418 00:22:10,750 --> 00:22:05,389 eventually it came to naught because I 419 00:22:14,649 --> 00:22:10,760 mean the AC AC current was just a lot 420 00:22:21,070 --> 00:22:14,659 more efficient than Evans DC so 421 00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:21,080 Tesla no eventually won out I came 422 00:22:28,659 --> 00:22:24,080 across an interesting list today called 423 00:22:30,940 --> 00:22:28,669 Tesla's five crazy inventions and I'll 424 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:30,950 be brief on this and the first one was 425 00:22:36,940 --> 00:22:34,369 the wireless energy transfer system yep 426 00:22:40,299 --> 00:22:36,950 the second one was the use of x-rays for 427 00:22:42,999 --> 00:22:40,309 Diagnostics the third one was what he 428 00:22:46,419 --> 00:22:43,009 called the death ray which we now would 429 00:22:50,049 --> 00:22:46,429 call a particle beam weapon the fourth 430 00:22:53,349 --> 00:22:50,059 one is the earthquake machine and the 431 00:22:56,049 --> 00:22:53,359 fifth one was robotics and pointed out 432 00:22:58,180 --> 00:22:56,059 that he was the first person to create a 433 00:23:03,969 --> 00:22:58,190 remote-control device he built a little 434 00:23:08,109 --> 00:23:03,979 RC boat yeah yep that's correct and and 435 00:23:12,430 --> 00:23:08,119 I should also mention that Nikola Tesla 436 00:23:16,690 --> 00:23:12,440 was the inventor of radio wasn't Marconi 437 00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:16,700 it was it was Tesla Marconi and how did 438 00:23:23,710 --> 00:23:21,440 that get away from him well that it's 439 00:23:27,789 --> 00:23:23,720 pretty complicated story you know once 440 00:23:31,419 --> 00:23:27,799 once again the Tesla was he was an 441 00:23:37,839 --> 00:23:31,429 inventor he was a man of science and he 442 00:23:43,930 --> 00:23:37,849 really did not he didn't follow up that 443 00:23:46,060 --> 00:23:43,940 much on his previous work uh once he was 444 00:23:50,409 --> 00:23:46,070 finished with something he was eager to 445 00:23:53,619 --> 00:23:50,419 move on to the next thing and in fact 446 00:23:56,229 --> 00:23:53,629 when Marconi was doing his his radio 447 00:24:00,129 --> 00:23:56,239 broadcast experiments somebody pointed 448 00:24:02,229 --> 00:24:00,139 out to Tesla that what Marconi was doing 449 00:24:05,259 --> 00:24:02,239 and Tesla said yes this you know that 450 00:24:07,749 --> 00:24:05,269 that guy is using a number of my patents 451 00:24:10,349 --> 00:24:07,759 but that's okay he's a good guy you know 452 00:24:12,339 --> 00:24:10,359 let him let him do his work and 453 00:24:13,839 --> 00:24:12,349 unfortunately that's another thing that 454 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:13,849 later turned around and you know bet 455 00:24:21,159 --> 00:24:17,090 that Tesla on the but because the the 456 00:24:23,499 --> 00:24:21,169 invent the the invention of the credit 457 00:24:26,769 --> 00:24:23,509 oven radio invention and the patent was 458 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:26,779 awarded to talk to Marconi even though 459 00:24:31,660 --> 00:24:28,490 Tesla had the patent 460 00:24:34,780 --> 00:24:31,670 a number of years in the past it was 461 00:24:37,450 --> 00:24:34,790 until I'm sorry glad he needed a manager 462 00:24:41,740 --> 00:24:37,460 he needed a manager's wudu yes he did 463 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:41,750 very much so and it wasn't until after a 464 00:24:49,930 --> 00:24:46,970 Tesla passed away that the the invention 465 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:49,940 being the credit of being an inventor 466 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:53,330 radio was awarded to Tesla but a lot of 467 00:24:59,799 --> 00:24:57,410 good it did him then I think that that 468 00:25:03,430 --> 00:24:59,809 short list I read I think the most 469 00:25:06,010 --> 00:25:03,440 unusual device in that in that list was 470 00:25:08,500 --> 00:25:06,020 his earthquake machine and it was 471 00:25:10,660 --> 00:25:08,510 described as a small oscillating device 472 00:25:12,370 --> 00:25:10,670 that he could sort of tune in it was 473 00:25:14,010 --> 00:25:12,380 very small didn't weigh very much I 474 00:25:17,410 --> 00:25:14,020 think he could hold it in his hands and 475 00:25:19,150 --> 00:25:17,420 the first time that he turned this thing 476 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:19,160 on start fooling around with it it set 477 00:25:24,910 --> 00:25:21,890 up a frequency that nearly brought the 478 00:25:28,450 --> 00:25:24,920 building down tell us about that yeah 479 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:28,460 the Tesla discovered that discovered 480 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:30,410 what's basically called resonating 481 00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:34,490 frequencies that is that you can 482 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:38,000 actually his his little device basically 483 00:25:44,350 --> 00:25:41,330 all that did was just produce a series 484 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:44,360 of say like taps or knocks onto 485 00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:47,570 something and if you would just adjust 486 00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:52,130 right pretty soon it would it would find 487 00:25:59,140 --> 00:25:55,520 a harmonic harmonious frequency with 488 00:26:03,060 --> 00:25:59,150 with anything and and and and then that 489 00:26:05,860 --> 00:26:03,070 would build up and you could actually 490 00:26:08,020 --> 00:26:05,870 bring a building down you could create 491 00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:08,030 earthquakes with that Tesla said that 492 00:26:13,570 --> 00:26:10,400 with enough time that he could crack the 493 00:26:17,530 --> 00:26:13,580 earth and to with a UH just a slightly 494 00:26:20,620 --> 00:26:17,540 larger device and the the handheld 495 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:20,630 device of Tesla came up with it actually 496 00:26:26,980 --> 00:26:24,250 ended up causing a mini earthquake in 497 00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:26,990 several blocks around his life in our 498 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:29,840 laboratory and that caused sylveon's to 499 00:26:34,780 --> 00:26:32,690 shake and windows to crash and people 500 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:34,790 actually thought that that there was an 501 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:37,490 earthquake going on uh what year was 502 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:40,490 that do you know mmm that probably would 503 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:41,490 have been around 90 504 00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:44,850 Oh buy something like that okay I'm very 505 00:26:50,419 --> 00:26:47,760 early on well we've got that music going 506 00:26:51,980 --> 00:26:50,429 up again it's the 70s jazz band Deodato 507 00:26:54,190 --> 00:26:51,990 are going to take us into the break with 508 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:54,200 their rendition of also sprach 509 00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:57,570 zarathustra also known as the theme song 510 00:27:01,940 --> 00:27:00,480 to 2001 a Space Odyssey and Elvis 511 00:27:04,580 --> 00:27:01,950 Presley used to use it too for his 512 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:04,590 concert so anyway you're listening to 513 00:27:11,490 --> 00:27:06,330 far-out radio with Scott teeters on the 514 00:27:20,029 --> 00:27:14,769 [Music] 515 00:27:22,250 --> 00:27:20,039 and we are back he'll solo Toro 516 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:22,260 otherwise known as the lonely bullabbai 517 00:27:28,250 --> 00:27:24,210 Herb Alpert and the Tijuana brass from 518 00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:28,260 1962 anyway where our guest this evening 519 00:27:36,370 --> 00:27:30,000 is Tim Schwarz and we're talking about 520 00:27:39,409 --> 00:27:36,380 the genius of Nikola Tesla and Tesla's 521 00:27:41,299 --> 00:27:39,419 life was certainly mysterious he didn't 522 00:27:44,289 --> 00:27:41,309 associate with people in particularly 523 00:27:47,149 --> 00:27:44,299 like people and the individuals that 524 00:27:51,470 --> 00:27:47,159 were able to get a little bit close to 525 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:51,480 him described him as not normal and some 526 00:27:56,299 --> 00:27:53,490 of them called him a real Superman 527 00:27:59,299 --> 00:27:56,309 either a reincarnated master or a 528 00:28:01,340 --> 00:27:59,309 spaceman this is a very very strange 529 00:28:04,430 --> 00:28:01,350 fellow who led a very strange life and 530 00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:04,440 he had a very strange death in the next 531 00:28:08,539 --> 00:28:06,000 oh five or eight minutes that we have 532 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:08,549 left him tell us about his passing in 533 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:11,490 the mystery around what happened to him 534 00:28:16,399 --> 00:28:12,450 at the very end 535 00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:16,409 sure well you know Tesla's great dream 536 00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:20,159 was the wireless transmission of 537 00:28:26,529 --> 00:28:24,809 electricity and he came up with the idea 538 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:26,539 that you could transmit electricity 539 00:28:32,510 --> 00:28:28,890 either through the air or through the 540 00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:32,520 ground without the use of a wires of any 541 00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:35,370 kind that meant that any house any 542 00:28:40,250 --> 00:28:37,110 building anywhere could either put up an 543 00:28:43,549 --> 00:28:40,260 antenna in the air or shove something 544 00:28:46,399 --> 00:28:43,559 down into the ground and and then you 545 00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:46,409 know run their household current off of 546 00:28:52,879 --> 00:28:48,480 something that was being transmitted 547 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:52,889 from a central location and he even went 548 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:55,410 as far as to to get backing 549 00:29:02,900 --> 00:28:58,010 and started construction of a facility 550 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:02,910 on Long Island New York and and and 551 00:29:08,660 --> 00:29:05,130 really to this day nobody is quite sure 552 00:29:11,140 --> 00:29:08,670 just exactly how he was going to do this 553 00:29:14,990 --> 00:29:11,150 because you know most of his material 554 00:29:16,910 --> 00:29:15,000 that he bases on that has end up being 555 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:16,920 lost I mean got some rough ideas but no 556 00:29:22,430 --> 00:29:19,650 one is really quite sure but Tesla was 557 00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:22,440 convinced he knew how to do it and he 558 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:23,910 was going to do it he would never have 559 00:29:29,330 --> 00:29:27,570 started building this facility unless he 560 00:29:31,220 --> 00:29:29,340 was certain it was going to work well 561 00:29:32,810 --> 00:29:31,230 unfortunately his backers discovered 562 00:29:35,540 --> 00:29:32,820 about what he was going to do and 563 00:29:38,300 --> 00:29:35,550 realize that that they probably could 564 00:29:41,060 --> 00:29:38,310 not make a profit off of this so they 565 00:29:43,100 --> 00:29:41,070 withdrew their money and and then there 566 00:29:46,490 --> 00:29:43,110 was a number of lawsuits and counter 567 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:46,500 lawsuits and and Tesla ended up being 568 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:48,570 broken and destitute like I had talked 569 00:29:55,610 --> 00:29:51,890 about before and as he grew older he 570 00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:55,620 unfortunately became more eccentric I 571 00:29:59,300 --> 00:29:57,600 mean he was an eccentric guy to begin 572 00:30:02,000 --> 00:29:59,310 with but you know when he was younger I 573 00:30:05,270 --> 00:30:02,010 mean at least he he did socialize I mean 574 00:30:08,660 --> 00:30:05,280 he was he liked going to to parties he 575 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:08,670 always dressed well and he had a number 576 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:11,490 of lady admirers but as he got older 577 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:13,770 he's a good-looking guy he was a very 578 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:15,690 good-looking guy and there there were a 579 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:18,090 number of socialites that would have 580 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:21,090 been very happy to have married him but 581 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:23,490 you know he just was not interested in 582 00:30:27,980 --> 00:30:25,170 you know I mean science with his love 583 00:30:31,130 --> 00:30:27,990 and but it to be a very strange-looking 584 00:30:34,820 --> 00:30:31,140 man when he got old yes yeah well I mean 585 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:34,830 yes looking he he probably was not 586 00:30:39,170 --> 00:30:36,930 eating as well as he should have 587 00:30:41,210 --> 00:30:39,180 and then plus a couple of years before 588 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:41,220 he died he had an accident where struck 589 00:30:49,330 --> 00:30:46,290 by a cab and was injured and and that 590 00:30:53,090 --> 00:30:49,340 led to the continual continued a 591 00:30:55,550 --> 00:30:53,100 deterioration of his health and when 592 00:30:59,210 --> 00:30:55,560 when he finally did pass away from a 593 00:31:03,040 --> 00:30:59,220 heart attack the United States 594 00:31:06,860 --> 00:31:03,050 government very quickly swooped in and 595 00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:06,870 confiscated everything of his that they 596 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:09,510 could get their hands on to it 597 00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:12,690 exactly where he was yes yeah yeah and 598 00:31:18,970 --> 00:31:15,120 so you have to realize that before he 599 00:31:22,130 --> 00:31:18,980 died I mean Tesla had made a number of 600 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:22,140 observations to the New York newspapers 601 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:24,330 about certain kinds of inventions 602 00:31:29,060 --> 00:31:26,130 especially and we talked about this 603 00:31:31,310 --> 00:31:29,070 before the death ray and he had offered 604 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:31,320 this invention to the United States 605 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:33,690 government and they refused it but 606 00:31:37,820 --> 00:31:35,970 obviously they were very interested in 607 00:31:40,190 --> 00:31:37,830 it and other things that he was doing 608 00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:40,200 because as soon as he died everything 609 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:42,049 that they could get their hands on to 610 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:46,290 disappeared and and in fact a number of 611 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:49,290 his paperwork ended up in places like 612 00:31:54,909 --> 00:31:52,290 wright-patterson Air Force Base where 613 00:31:58,909 --> 00:31:54,919 they you know continued on with his 614 00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:58,919 experiment I think it was said that they 615 00:32:05,419 --> 00:32:01,200 walked away with probably about two 616 00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:05,429 boxcars full of material that Tesla had 617 00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:09,360 its own box cars to box carpel that it 618 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:11,640 filled an entire warehouse I was told 619 00:32:23,030 --> 00:32:20,130 and that but publicly it was declared 620 00:32:26,539 --> 00:32:23,040 that none of this stuff was worth 621 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:26,549 anything that that this guy was a 622 00:32:31,669 --> 00:32:27,570 crackpot 623 00:32:37,130 --> 00:32:31,679 that nothing that they had was was of 624 00:32:40,190 --> 00:32:37,140 any good and that's where supposedly it 625 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:40,200 ended but all wasn't even worth shown 626 00:32:44,990 --> 00:32:42,450 yeah yeah exactly but all this stuff 627 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:45,000 ended up disappearing though you know 628 00:32:52,340 --> 00:32:48,090 into the into the black bolts of the 629 00:32:54,530 --> 00:32:52,350 government in the military and even the 630 00:32:56,570 --> 00:32:54,540 military guys that got to actually get 631 00:33:01,610 --> 00:32:56,580 their hands on that and look at it and 632 00:33:06,260 --> 00:33:01,620 read it yep yep yep well and I mean to 633 00:33:09,470 --> 00:33:06,270 this day I am positive that that we are 634 00:33:12,140 --> 00:33:09,480 now just probably catching up to the 635 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:12,150 stuff that Tesla was doing back at the 636 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:15,210 turn of the 19th and 20th century and 637 00:33:23,330 --> 00:33:18,570 and and we're just now probably starting 638 00:33:24,409 --> 00:33:23,340 to grasp what he was conceiving 639 00:33:27,379 --> 00:33:24,419 and that's the unfortunate thing about 640 00:33:30,919 --> 00:33:27,389 Tesla is that a lot of the stuff that he 641 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:30,929 was thinking of in his day he did not 642 00:33:38,060 --> 00:33:35,370 have the science available to him that 643 00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:38,070 we have now - to make these things 644 00:33:43,249 --> 00:33:40,529 possible I mean we're talking about 645 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:43,259 things like field propulsion or 646 00:33:50,060 --> 00:33:45,570 anti-gravity as you know it's known in 647 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:50,070 science fiction and Tesla even had his 648 00:33:59,720 --> 00:33:57,090 own theory of relativity that that he 649 00:34:00,350 --> 00:33:59,730 was opposed to mine Stein theory of 650 00:34:01,489 --> 00:34:00,360 relativity 651 00:34:04,669 --> 00:34:01,499 you know Tesla had a completely 652 00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:04,679 completely different idea on on how the 653 00:34:10,609 --> 00:34:07,769 universe worked and and of course now 654 00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:10,619 we're finding that that there were a lot 655 00:34:15,139 --> 00:34:12,720 of things that Tesla was even was 656 00:34:18,020 --> 00:34:15,149 probably right you know so instead of 657 00:34:20,569 --> 00:34:18,030 being I just read I just read today that 658 00:34:24,379 --> 00:34:20,579 Tesla at one point was chosen to share a 659 00:34:27,859 --> 00:34:24,389 Nobel Prize in Physics with Tennyson 660 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:27,869 guess what he refused right I can well 661 00:34:35,720 --> 00:34:34,290 imagine why yeah well I mean at that 662 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:35,730 point in his life he was pretty 663 00:34:39,530 --> 00:34:37,770 he was pretty disgruntled so I mean you 664 00:34:43,250 --> 00:34:39,540 know he saw this basically an empty 665 00:34:45,950 --> 00:34:43,260 gesture so yeah but the money would have 666 00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:45,960 been nice he could he definitely could 667 00:34:49,550 --> 00:34:48,179 have used it but you know kid this was a 668 00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:49,560 guy that I mean he really had no 669 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:54,000 conception of money with the except on 670 00:35:00,800 --> 00:34:57,450 how he could use it to further fund his 671 00:35:02,839 --> 00:35:00,810 his research must have come from growing 672 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:02,849 up in a completely different culture you 673 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:06,690 know yep almost like a foreign notion to 674 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:09,930 us yeah well his father was an Orthodox 675 00:35:15,559 --> 00:35:13,650 priest who's very well educated his 676 00:35:17,390 --> 00:35:15,569 mother was a very intelligent woman in 677 00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:17,400 fact Tesla said that you know he got his 678 00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:22,560 is like inventing smarts from his mother 679 00:35:29,569 --> 00:35:25,920 so but but yes I mean they they weren't 680 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:29,579 rich by any means and you know Tesla 681 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:32,490 yeah I mean he was not he was not into 682 00:35:37,070 --> 00:35:34,290 hoarding or saving money or becoming 683 00:35:39,770 --> 00:35:37,080 rich he used his money to it to further 684 00:35:43,010 --> 00:35:39,780 his research and - and to invent stuff 685 00:35:44,930 --> 00:35:43,020 that was in love Wow 686 00:35:48,860 --> 00:35:44,940 Tim we've got about a minute and a half 687 00:35:53,390 --> 00:35:48,870 left as a researcher and a Tesla scholar 688 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:53,400 what's your most impressive invention of 689 00:35:59,630 --> 00:35:55,610 his I mean what what's your favorite 690 00:36:02,150 --> 00:35:59,640 well I think that the as I talked about 691 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:02,160 earlier the whole wireless transmission 692 00:36:09,550 --> 00:36:05,490 of energy is is just absolutely 693 00:36:11,780 --> 00:36:09,560 fascinating and uh you know I think that 694 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:11,790 I'm sure you've heard about it you know 695 00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:15,690 the HAARP array in Alaska probably is a 696 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:20,640 result of Tesla's ideas on this because 697 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:24,330 they are using a very similar technology 698 00:36:31,310 --> 00:36:27,570 that Tesla conceived and and I've heard 699 00:36:33,620 --> 00:36:31,320 in fact that in in the military there 700 00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:33,630 are devices that are available to troops 701 00:36:41,230 --> 00:36:37,110 that that do just that that is able to 702 00:36:45,260 --> 00:36:41,240 transmit power to diverse locations 703 00:36:47,210 --> 00:36:45,270 without the use of wires of any kind so 704 00:36:49,370 --> 00:36:47,220 I mean that's a good lid on that one 705 00:36:55,580 --> 00:36:49,380 yeah the technology is out there so it's 706 00:36:58,180 --> 00:36:55,590 not available to us and I would also I 707 00:37:01,220 --> 00:36:58,190 would also say real quick Scott that 708 00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:01,230 people can get easy access to my website 709 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:07,200 at wwlp.com there you go folks 710 00:37:13,970 --> 00:37:12,090 yeah yep I also noticed that your some 711 00:37:16,910 --> 00:37:13,980 of your books maybe all your books are 712 00:37:19,460 --> 00:37:16,920 available at amazon.com but for our 713 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:19,470 listeners if you're if you have a Kindle 714 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:21,690 reader you can get several of Tim's 715 00:37:26,450 --> 00:37:24,210 books in a matter of minutes you could 716 00:37:28,970 --> 00:37:26,460 be reading his books you know the next 717 00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,980 step five minutes so there you go Tim 718 00:37:32,570 --> 00:37:30,720 you're you're a very interesting guy and 719 00:37:35,300 --> 00:37:32,580 you've written about some other things 720 00:37:37,700 --> 00:37:35,310 that are really eye-popping the the 721 00:37:38,990 --> 00:37:37,710 Admiral Byrd stuff is really something 722 00:37:41,930 --> 00:37:39,000 so we'd like to have you back again 723 00:37:43,940 --> 00:37:41,940 sometime soon I'd be more than happy to 724 00:37:46,700 --> 00:37:43,950 to just name the date and I'll be there 725 00:37:48,590 --> 00:37:46,710 very good I really appreciate it so 726 00:37:49,740 --> 00:37:48,600 thanks for being with us man we'll get 727 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:49,750 back to you 728 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:51,610 pretty quick alrighty alright thank you 729 00:37:55,650 --> 00:37:52,810 very much been a pleasure 730 00:37:57,330 --> 00:37:55,660 okay ten thanks a lot again we want to 731 00:38:00,260 --> 00:37:57,340 remind our listeners that Tim's books 732 00:38:03,950 --> 00:38:00,270 are available online in Amazon and